WEEKLY TOPIC THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY WEEK
I think the Jeezy made his point about the Miami/FIU brawl pretty clearly and concisely, and I agree with him about almost all his points, but this is something that I feel is starting to spiral out of control in college football, and that's the lack of respect that the opponents seem to have for one another. This is Miami's THIRD situation in their last 5 games going back to last year's bowl game. There is something seriously wrong in Miami right now, but is it fair for us to limit it to them? So here are a few points and I'd like some insight from everybody on.
1) What should the punishments be for each team? Coach? Player? University?
2) Is this a problem mostly with the Florida teams, namely Miami, Florida State and to a lesser extent, Florida, or is this something you can draw parallels to in other conferences?
3) What's the root cause here? Are these kids being drilled in practice to carry this thuggish attitude and "swagger" around, or is this something they're coming into the program with and the coach is doing a bad job of instilling the value of sportsmanship into them? Is it the players or the coach or some combination that's at fault here?
4) Given what's going on in the NFL with the emphasis shifting from the team to the individual (you can't have a team celebration after a touchdown, but you can do whatever you want to show up the other team or glorify yourself), is it any wonder these kids are beginning to act like this?
5) If your team did this, would you even be able to walk out in public wearing their gear without feeling some sort of shame?
This isn't a test, so you don't have to answer all 5 questions, but they're starters for a discussion here. My first response will be in the comments. John, I'm serious when I say I'm very interested to get your input.
3 Comments:
I'm going to go in order of the questions just to get things rolling here.
1) Larry Coker should have been fired on Sunday. He has no control over his team. I was watching the footage of the Miami team stomping on the Louisville L before their game this season, and I didn't see any Miami coaches on the field as Bobby Petrino was looking for someone in a green jersey to throttle. The officials and the Louisville coaching staff restored order. It's an absolute joke and a travesty that Coker is still employed.
As for the players, cut them. Take away their scholarships. I don't care what side of the brawl they were on. Some of them should probably be arrested for assault. The NCAA needs to make an example out of these situations soon before it gets totally out of hand.
Each program should be on at least 1 year probation. This punishment needs to be of the utmost severity to have any effect at all.
2) This does tend to happen mostly with the Florida teams, but there are more instances of UGA jumping on a team's logo than I'd care to admit (though to be fair they hadn't won in Knoxville in 20 years and this was AFTER not before the game), but there are poor sports all over college football. Was it Marcus Vick last year who twisted someone's knee or ankle in a pile and put him out for a few games? The difference is that the whole VT team didn't behave like that. When your entire team acts like that, there's a discipline problem, ergo a coaching problem. Bobby Bowden is guilty of it too, and if he didn't win so many games, he would have been fired long ago. But 3 incidents in 5 games is unprecedented, and is the showing of a trend, rather than an aberration.
3) This is a loaded question, but I do think both are at fault here. Obviously the players should be held responsible for their own actions, but the coaches should instill some semblance of discipline and sportsmanship in them. I always liked how Tyrone Willingham always said his first job was to make his kids better men, and his second job was to make them better football players. That's why he succeeds at places like Stanford and Washington, and crashed and burned at Notre Dame. Some schools overlook character for talent, and your success is only measured in wins and losses, and as long as that's the standard, people like Marcus Vick and Sebastien Janikowski will be allowed to play (everybody forgets Brady Quinn was a Willingham recruit).
4) I obviously worded this in a way where my position is clear. Most of these kids go to Miami to play in the NFL someday, and see this as a stop they have to make in order to get to the top. They want to be like guys like Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens...they watch defensive linemen in the NFL do a dance when they record a tackle for a 1 yard gain. The NFL has become a sport of individuals rather than teams, and that movement gets reflected in the college atheletes attitude towards the game. Wide receivers forget about the guy who threw them the ball, and defensive rushers forget about the other guys rushing with him that occupied the other 5 guys who were blocking so he could make a play. I don't know how to fix this except to have the NFL institute a stricter celebration or unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, which will never happen.
5) In a word, NO. If Georgia did this to anybody, even if it was Florida, I'd be ashamed to wear any gear of theirs for fear that someone might mistake me as a sympathiser or apologist for what happened. I'm not sure even what my feelings would be about that team anymore, and I hope I never have to test my convictions.
So those are my thoughts. I'm interested in hearing other viewpoints, and I'm interested in having people pick apart my arguments. I don't want to sound too much like an alarmist, but I do believe swift and harsh action needs to be taken either by the NCAA or the schools themselves.
2:06 PM
I just want to say that this just makes me sick. Miami is taking actions to prevent future fights, but ignoring this one, while FIU has already dismissed 2 players from the team, and suspended 16 INDEFINITELY. Miami is passing around slaps on the wrist (suspensions against Duke? Seriously?) while FIU, a program struggling to make a name for itself is punishing as fits the crime. God, I could barely finish this without blood shooting out of my nose.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2629429
7:28 AM
Here's a piece by an Gene Wojciechowski that I agree with 150%.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/
story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2628365
7:35 AM
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